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Posted by Hexidecimal on 10-22-2003 07:02 AM:
Is there any way to defend against a 50+ hawk attack?
or is it just a war of attrition?
Posted by Fierce Midget Pirate on 10-22-2003 08:40 PM:
50 of your own hawks/vamps?
Dont let tem buld them, is the first thing. keep raiding from the start and
never give them a free moment.
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Posted by Everyone on 10-22-2003 09:01 PM:
Yes.
Get Uberhack
In OTA the really only thing that can kill them is more hawks.
Statistics show that statistics always lie.
Warchicken: The game is PERFECTLY balanced if you only talk about the units
people use now - and NOT about the useless ones.
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Posted by Hexidecimal on 10-22-2003 11:31 PM:
Uber huh?
this is going to sound pretty bad, but what is this Uberhack I’ve been hearing
about? I’ve been playing 3.0 for the longest time and i just found out about the
3.1 patch. I’ve been out of the loop for the longest. The Army has that affect
on you sometimes…
Posted by Everyone on 10-22-2003 11:37 PM:
We have an uberhack forum. Go there.
Statistics show that statistics always lie.
Warchicken: The game is PERFECTLY balanced if you only talk about the units
people use now - and NOT about the useless ones.
Conservatives and liberals agree that people should be free - but only liberals
do anything about it.
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Posted by Rex222 on 10-23-2003 05:15 AM:
Deception works well against a large air attack, also massive amounts of
airpower of your own, and a huge amount of MT’s and flakers.
As for UH, some like it, some do not, personally I don’t, but thats just me.
The army does have a tendancy to get you out of the loop for periods of time,
true, I’ve been out of the loop about 2.5 years till recently.
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Posted by TEA_Annihilater2k2 on 10-26-2003 10:28 AM:
With your constant raiding and expansion, frequently sedn a few peepers in his
base to see wtf he is doing, if u see an adv. air plant heck, even a lvl 1
plant, fast build 7 bombers of your own and raze the plant/s, if u have enuff
bombers, take a few resource facs with you aswell.
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Posted by gamma on 10-31-2003 01:27 AM:
50 hawks - you can get em with truckloads of AA. The thing that makes 50 hawks
so powerful is they kill a lot of things instantly. If you have most of your AA
intact after the first pass, you’ll have a good chance of decimating the force -
depending on the size of your force, of course.
But yer anyway, what 2k2 said - the best defense is: don’t let your enemy build
50 hawks.
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Posted by mindfields on 11-03-2003 11:35 AM:
That’s the problem though.
Once you have a 50 swarm of hawks you’d be silly to send them into the heart of
the enemy force unless you needed to take out a specific target.
I’d be more likely to use them just behind the front line & radar target so that
they fire from max range. That’s almost improssible to stop. Radar
target-retreat-radar target etc.
Along with that I’d have my Ground units advancing since it would probably be a
“winning” push
All the enemy would see is waves of missiles coming out of the fog-of-war taking
out each forward unit. You can’t even Radar target back as they’re stealthy.
So, best defence? Scout often & don’t let the enemy build the swarm.
Posted by Fierce Midget Pirate on 11-03-2003 09:11 PM:
you cant hit them to begin with, anyway, so why not send em in?
id gladly sacrifice 50 hawks to take out a commander and a large portion of an
enemy base.
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Posted by mindfields on 11-04-2003 11:27 AM:
You can hit them if you have Line of site.
I’d send them in after a commander or some other specific target if i needed to
take it out fast.
Apart from that you’d expect the hawks to have to fly over a large proportion of
AA & lose a lot of hawks. You may destroy more in resource value than they’re
worth but you can do that without the losses.
Posted by TEA_Annihilater2k2 on 11-04-2003 11:54 AM:
Uhhh, if your enemy lets you get 50+ hawks then i wouldnt be settling for the
“set him back” thing, if u had the time and the rezz to get 5o hawks, then build
25-30 golls instead and clik at the back of his base with shootall on, then send
in your lvl 1 army and you have a victory in under 15 mins.
Anni
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Posted by Fierce Midget Pirate on 11-04-2003 09:47 PM:
quote:
Originally posted by mindfields
You can hit them if you have Line of site.
i meant the hawks cant be hit in OTA. faster than the Flak moves
ah, TEA, but cant Gollies be hit by many more things than aircraft can?
Artillery doesnt fire on air, but it does hit tanks. so you just opened up to a
lot more pain.
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Posted by gamma on 11-04-2003 09:59 PM:
i’m with sanders on this one
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Posted by Fierce Midget Pirate on 11-04-2003 10:47 PM:
quote:
Originally posted by gamma
i’m with sanders on this one
A mod agreeing with me??? Everyone, to the Bomb shelters! its a sign of the
apocolypse!!!
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Posted by tau’ri01 on 11-05-2003 01:16 AM:
hawks can be hit when they turn and if the mts have sufficient time to see and
fire
Its something unpredictable, but in the end is right…
Posted by Fierce Midget Pirate on 11-05-2003 01:26 AM:
you just dont like me, do you, tau’ri? if you know how to manuver your hawks,
they shouldnt turn until they are way away from the point of danger.
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Posted by gamma on 11-06-2003 02:03 AM:
tau’ri01: the experienced player makes sure his hawks don’t turn over enemy AA.
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Posted by TEA_Annihilater2k2 on 11-06-2003 02:02 PM:
If the opponant has let u get 50+ hawks then he wont have built much to stop a
25 strong goll rush would he
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Posted by mindfields on 11-06-2003 03:04 PM:
quote:
Originally posted by tau’ri01
hawks can be hit when they turn and if the mts have sufficient time to see and
fire
That was the point I was making.
If I fly my hawks over the front lines to take out a Fusion plant right at the
back of his base I might be flying over 4-5 screens of enemy territory.
Any player worth his salt would have mt’s spread through the map & as soon as
your over the front lines the mt’s further back will fire on your incoming hawks
as their front line units would reveal them.
Any flak cannons would also have plenty of time to see you coming as well.
If your hawks come screaming out of the Fog of war & attack then that’s fine
they won’t be able to turn/lock/fire but if their AA has had 3-4 screens warning
all the weapons will be ready for you & you will take casualties.
For a priority target that’s not a problem if your willing to lose a proportion
fo your hawks
But you can pretty much just creep forwards pretty quickly by radar targetting
the front line, clearing the way & not take any damage.
BTW.
50 hawks would probably be able to stop 25 gollies without to much damage to
your base if you chucked in a few cheap DT’s. Each salvo would in theory take
out 2 gollies. & if you can radar target them before they hit the front lines
then they’re dead metal.
Thing is though that the build time for hawks is pretty bad.
Given the resources you’d have those 25 Gollies ready for use by the time the
nme had built 10 hawks.
Beauty of this game innit? resource/build time balance.
Posted by TEA_Annihilater2k2 on 11-06-2003 08:45 PM:
You could always radar target them…
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Posted by littleloser on 11-06-2003 11:09 PM:
If Im’ not mistaken, mindfields already said that
Why use hawks for goliath defense while 3 guardians and a few DT’s will do the
job?
But if you’re planning an assault go for hawks then but better pray they don’t
send the gollies before that
Touch me and die.
(Of course, that’s physically impossible on the internet…)
Posted by Fierce Midget Pirate on 11-06-2003 11:31 PM:
a good player, minefields, wouldnt send his hawks over a large expanse of AA. he
would take the time to soften up the defense, find a better path, or provide a
large enough air diversion (several Decoy comms in atlases provide nice
distractions) thus, opening up the time for him to target his victim and wipe it
out. CS has made his point (i think)
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Posted by gamma on 11-06-2003 11:38 PM:
6 rockos is the same metal as 1 goliath and will own 1 goliath.
you can get 300 rockos (or storms) for the price of 50 goliaths.
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Posted by Fierce Midget Pirate on 11-06-2003 11:45 PM:
not that i dont dislike gollies, but which will build faster and be ready for
combat faster? but a good point, nonetheless
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Posted by gamma on 11-07-2003 12:00 AM:
the answer is rockos and storms long before gollies, so I’m not sure what you’re
getting at…
Posted by mindfields on 11-07-2003 02:18 PM:
quote:
Originally posted by Colonel Sanders
a good player, minefields, wouldnt send his hawks over a large expanse of AA.
he would take the time to soften up the defense, find a better path, or
provide a large enough air diversion (several Decoy comms in atlases provide
nice distractions) thus, opening up the time for him to target his victim and
wipe it out. CS has made his point (i think)
My point exactly, a good player would eat away the front line by radar
targeting.
There’s very little chance that you’d be able to work a route around an any AA.
Most people spread out MT’s as a matter of routine. That’s why I said I’d only
charge in if there was a Priority target. (e.g. Commander, maybe a BB or nuke
silo)
Decoy comms in atlases? You’ve got to be kidding me. Atlases tend to last a
second against AA & lose your payload.
You’d do better with a swarm of cheap Peepers.
Posted by Eightball Maniac on 11-07-2003 07:58 PM:
Guys, radar targeting is useless if your opponent has radar jammers covering his
base.
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<+XMP-Reporter> [37:53]: [Gundato]: yeah, you got me
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Posted by ThundershockeD on 11-07-2003 08:03 PM:
the best way to defend against 50+hawk attacks?
turn off your cannon and defences make sure nothing fires it will fool him into
a false sense of security… all the time walk your comm round cloaked untill
you reach his base then dgun everything until you die KABOOM!
yeah how do you like that sucker?
yehaha!
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gibble gibble
Posted by Fierce Midget Pirate on 11-07-2003 09:17 PM:
no, no, no. Decoys make big boomies, and they may think your real comm is in one
of them
Gamma, your right i am a total nOOb and bow to your mod powers. but i still
tried to make a point, becuz th elvl 1 factories are about 1/2 the price of the
lvl 2 ones. so two factories in place of one, and less build time, i guess it
might be a little closer to even. so hey, you win. im givin up on this thread.
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Posted by TEA_Annihilater2k2 on 11-07-2003 10:04 PM:
Just so u lot know, hawks are stealth fightersso they cant be radar targetted,
sorry if i mislead all
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Posted by The Legacy on 11-07-2003 10:50 PM:
Just fire a nuke and make it land inches in front of the front wave of fighters.
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Posted by Fierce Midget Pirate on 11-07-2003 11:09 PM:
quote:
Originally posted by ThundershockeD
the best way to defend against 50+hawk attacks?
turn off your cannon and defences make sure nothing fires it will fool him
into a false sense of security… all the time walk your comm round cloaked
untill you reach his base then dgun everything until you die KABOOM!
yeah how do you like that sucker?
yehaha!
CRAC~SH BASH BOOM TRASH
gibble gibble
er…
yes…
um…
I know that wuz sarcastic, but Comms still show up on radar when they are
cloaked, Dont they?
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Posted by TEA_Annihilater2k2 on 11-08-2003 09:12 AM:
Yes, and depending on the size of map ure energy production facilities willmodt
likely be scrap leaving absolutely nothing for your cloak or d gun, if ure
sending your comm out for a last ditch offensive then at least throw EVERYTHING
u have along with him.
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Posted by gamma on 11-11-2003 02:55 AM:
quote:
Originally posted by Colonel Sanders
no, no, no. Decoys make big boomies, and they may think your real comm is in
one of them
Gamma, your right i am a total nOOb and bow to your mod powers. but i still
tried to make a point, becuz th elvl 1 factories are about 1/2 the price of
the lvl 2 ones. so two factories in place of one, and less build time, i guess
it might be a little closer to even. so hey, you win. im givin up on this
thread.
Sorry was I not clear enough the first time? The fact that rockos/storms can be
built from a fac that is 1/3 the cost makes it LESS even, it makes it even MORE
viable to just swarm with storms than try and mass goliaths.
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Posted by Fierce Midget Pirate on 11-11-2003 09:07 PM:
Thats what i was sayin…
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Posted by gamma on 11-11-2003 09:32 PM:
you said “closer to even”, that’s what confused me.
Posted by TEA_Annihilater2k2 on 11-12-2003 08:07 PM:
you all confuse meh…
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strong
Posted by Fierce Midget Pirate on 11-12-2003 09:37 PM:
I am the art of confusion… i was posting in the center of insanity… my school
Media center! i had no idea what i was talkin about. first i started with the
first fact that, then made another halfway through. oh, well.
c ya
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Posted by TEA_Annihilater2k2 on 11-14-2003 02:12 PM:
The only thing that’ll stop a 50+ hawk attack is obviously to kill them before
they get that many. End of discussion.
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