Whats the best protection for cons? When to build MT?

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Posted by spuddy on 11-21-2001 07:27 AM:
Whats the best protection for cons? When to build MT?
Whenever i seem to play xpert players i can expand quite quickly when left alone
(well who can’t ) but when i am rushed it seems that all my con vehicles seem to
get swamped. What is the best defence for construction vehicles on a large map
e.g. acid foursome. I’d also like to know when the best time to build MT is…
Should you first build up your forces so as to keep your opponent busy and
suffer a lack of defence for a short period? or begin heavy defence by cutting
off your opponentfrom one half of the map?

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Posted by BLITZ_Molloy on 11-21-2001 08:26 AM:

Hard to say- really depends on your opponents style of play.
Only thing that I find makes it easier is to try and expand forward- build metal
patches, place a couple of MT’s around the patch, then a few more until you get
to the next patch, then repeat.
I tend to send out one jeffy, 1 flash, 2 sampsons and tons of con vehicles from
then on. I guard out about ten and have them build MT and extractors, I use that
plant for con veh all game usually- every other plant after that I put more
towards the front lines and use to build sampsons/rockos.
I can’t say this is perfect, but I find it easier to manage because i like
having tons of construction vehicles.
If you have enough, and their all spreading out and covering the map with missle
towers their unlikely to get swamped. there are times when a concentrated army
are going to burst through your defenses but you just send sampsons to plug the
hole.

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Posted by DOGGY on 11-21-2001 10:38 AM:

Mollow, you are a porcer !
Building MTs, how boring! In the time u build mts like crazy, ur opponet will
have like 70% of the map, just because he scared u with 300 metal in flashes. We
are here in the adv. strat thread , and any adv player will use flashes vs
flashes (and some sams/mts). There is only 1 quite good player who porces, and
thats 315 (but porcing is kinda the only way 2 win a game against an equally
skilled arm player… waiting for lvl 2 units.
Normally porcing is just a way to prolong a game, not to win it (or playing a
noob who will waste his units in mt-forests).
well, just keep ur opponent busy with flashes urself, build mexes where it is
unlikely that your opponent will find them, have a good radar coverage. So, if
ur opponent is busy, he will prolly forget some of his flashes, that will park
somewhere near a metalpath, so, a few sams/mts/flashes will kill his flash
easily.
Dont let him find ur mexes easily, there are always mexes which will be checked,
others a rated as not likely 2 be built in the first mins of a game. And
normally, when a player sends flashes in, he doesnt take care 2 much of them,
but if he hears them shooting, it will have his interrest. So, if u miss some
mexes out, and he moves a flash there, and u keep him busy, he will forget his
flash. Radar coverage helps you 2 organise ur units, e.g. where 2 move your 2
flashes and where 2 move ur 3 sams e.g. , so u can handle multiple attacks at a
time.
And if there is much action in the game, and a con is attacked by a flash, try 2
reclaim it, ur opponent wont care about his flash as long as it shoots

Posted by LordBeek on 11-21-2001 04:14 PM:

Generally you should have so many con units expanding that your metal income
will be rising rapidly, and allow masses of Samsons to be produced with ease.
I find Samsons/Slashers are superior to MT`s in that they are armoured, move,
and can be made very quickly with a comm assisted plant. I would use these to
reinforce areas of Mexxes.
All this is done while Flashing your opponent.

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Posted by Dark Rain on 11-22-2001 01:52 AM:

The way I see it, is like this :

1- Raid with flashes, attack his mex con units etc while protecting your own
with flashes
2-The second stage of the game where you can start producing slashers, if your
opponent persist with pure flash and you build slashers he’s dead.
3-Assuming there’s no definite winner, you roughly both have half the map and
you start building MT to protect the front and your mex.

Of course you can build some MT to slow down raids or the occasional flash but
you cant go into full gear yet.

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Posted by Screamer on 11-22-2001 04:32 AM:

Vs Flashes, you need two things: radar cover and Flashes. Build Radar EVERYWHERE
(I can’t stress this enough) and keep an eye on the minimap constantly. Spread
your Flashes in small squads and move them out as soon as you see incoming
blips.

One thing I’ve also been thinking about recently (but I haven’t played a single
game in months and haven’t had any actual practice for longer than that, so
excuse me if it’s garbage ) is to send out two Const together - they will both
enjoy the cover of double the amount of Flashes as they would if sent
individually, and if you’re hard pressed you have twice the build speed
available to slap down MTs when you need them (queue a line with one Const,
assist them with the other). Radars also take a few moments to finish building
with lone Contrucks. It is probably a waste to assist MExes though, you’re
likely better off building two MExes at once on close patches.

As I said, this may be pure garbage, test at your own risk

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Posted by BLITZ_Molloy on 11-22-2001 04:46 AM:

Heh- your right DOGGY. I was always too much of a porcer .

Heh- in DarkRains steps I do about 20 seconds of 1)

Then I do 3) for 8 minutes.

Then I do 2) and maybe tech up.

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Posted by Masonary on 11-22-2001 08:29 AM:

The best time to build mts depends on what you want to do with them. On fairly
large maps, I never build them close to my base. Instead, after getting my first
couple of cons to build mexs, I occasionally send a con up into territory that
would normally be considered to be my opponents, and build mt’s, kind of
offensive defense. You wont normally be able to keep him from noticing it,
however if you can get a few up in time, it is somthing that he has to get rid
of. Wait until a force goes to take it out, and then attack in a different area.
This, early in the game will allow you to get a bit of an advantage. If you do
somhow manage to claim the area, then you have a bigger share of the map and can
take all of the metal.

Cons getting swamped, well hard to say, I dont oftern protect cons all that
well, but you should have a number of small forces in strategic locations that
can be moved to act as mobile defense. As screamer said, Radar is one of the
most important things you can have to get the jump on defending an attack.
And you should be producing cons all the time, so that if you lose one it doesnt
affect you too much.

And of course, the best form of defense is a good solid offense. Hurt him and he
will have more of a problem hurting you

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Posted by LordBeek on 11-22-2001 10:41 AM:

When sending a con unit far off from your base i would probably send a Flash or
two with it. Firstly, you have a fighting chance agaisnt any enemy flashes in
the area.

Secondly, you can attack any enemy cons, and any mexxes its built nearby.

Also, the flashes provide great close support and spotters for any MTs you build to secure the area. However, try not to go mad with MTs. Samsons are
preferable.

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Posted by +sing on 11-22-2001 11:57 AM:

what the hell is an MT and why would you want to build flashes, they must be the
worst unit. If your going to build something like that build some pee wees

Posted by LordBeek on 11-22-2001 03:24 PM:

…

do i have to? sigh

MT = Missile Tower. Probably the most effective defensive weapon in the game due
to their versatility and cheap cost.

Flashes are far superior to Peewee`s. The Peewee is very low armoured, and built
by a Kbot lab, which is not the plant you want to use at the start of the game.

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Posted by spuddy on 11-22-2001 04:18 PM:

Yeah i watched one of gnug’s tads versus 2natzy4u on CC they porced the sides to
stop rushes and then went mass plants in the middle eventually porcing the
middle too with mass MT and the odd guard. I tried this tactic worked a few
times but the cons still managed to get killed ;( Maybe you got a good point
screamer assisted building might work especially where you are defending a
tactical position.

I’ll try it see how it goes i tried building no defence before but for later on
in the game it didnt help me out

Thanks for the help guys

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Posted by +sing on 11-23-2001 06:35 AM:

oh u mean them

and flashes,peewees,weasels and ak’s are crap what are you going to do with them
there pathetic

all you need is an immolator to stop them

Posted by LordBeek on 11-23-2001 06:42 AM:

+sing you really have no clue. You should play someone decent, then you`ll
understand how good flashes are.

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Posted by Masonary on 11-23-2001 09:19 AM:

flashes = arguably the best and most biased unit in the game. If used effectivly
at the start, they can give you an advantage over the opposition that he cant
recover from.

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When the Blind Leadeth the blind
They Bumpeth into things

which is worse, confusion or apathy? who knows, who cares

Posted by BLITZ_Molloy on 11-23-2001 10:56 AM:

Ignore +sing- hes a smurf.

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Posted by Screamer on 11-23-2001 02:27 PM:

Quite obviously, he is… though the name, I have to admit, was pretty creative.

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Posted by Annihilater2k1 on 11-25-2001 02:16 PM:

I find the best defence early on is 4 mt’s in a square and on hlt at the front
(or which ever side you want it on)

The weak have one weapon, the over-confidence of those who think they are
strong.

Posted by LordBeek on 11-25-2001 03:22 PM:

If your being attacked early, you wont have time to build a defense like that.
Better to use ure mobile units for defense/raiding.

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Posted by KaijuBaka on 11-25-2001 07:18 PM:

I certainly hope this forum does not turn into a bunch of idiots who think that
they are cute or funny smurfing and saying retarted things. It was cute the
first hundred times someone did something akin to that, but trust me, +sing,
whoever you are, it’s lame. Very lame.

And you can’t be bij because he would probably actually say that =D

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Posted by Screamer on 11-25-2001 07:55 PM:

Annihilater, this forum is devoted strictly to online multiplayer strategy; and
I’m afraid to have to tell you that your “defense” will just get you killed
against a remotely decent player.

Kaiju, for crying out loud, can you stop being a jerk for as much as a single
post?! You’re honestly starting to wear down my patience.

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abilities of others is a statement about your own.

The beauty of the world has two edges, one of laughter, one of anguish, cutting
the heart asunder.
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Posted by +sing on 11-26-2001 06:38 AM:

kaiju or what ever the flour your name is what the hell r u going on about ‘now
its really lame’

and u lord beek flashes r so flouring flour its stupid end of story

and u can talk blitz molloy smurf

i dont get why u r all so pissed of at me just because i think all those level 1
units r pretty crap

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Posted by BLITZ_Molloy on 11-26-2001 09:01 AM:

Hah- use some capital letters, punctuation and some spelling and I might be
bothered arguing with you.

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Posted by Screamer on 11-26-2001 10:08 AM:

+sing…

a) You have never played a game of online multiplayer, otherwise you’d know your
opinion is wrong. Sorry, but it’s the truth. Now, I don’t care about that -
other than the fact that this forum is strictly for online multiplayer
strategies. Thank you.

b) The no flaming rule doesn’t only apply to vets getting annoyed about newbies

  • it applies to newbies getting annoyed by vets as well. And you’re way out of
    line right now.

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Posted by +sing on 11-27-2001 08:52 AM:

[a bunch of multiple-posts deleted]

Thanks for your contributions to this board - but we are not worthy of someone
like you bestowing his wisdom upon us.

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Posted by LordBeek on 11-27-2001 09:29 AM:

For gods sake grow up idiot.

I suspect a ban will be soon implemented.

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Posted by BLITZ_Molloy on 11-27-2001 09:42 AM:

Stop that Peter. your being very childish.

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Posted by spuddy on 11-27-2001 05:47 PM:

and i was suprised when it said 48 posts that my topic was popular mayb not O_o

well anyway i never porce too soon i usually go for as many units in the first
10 mins as poss and then start porcing with MT and mayb a guard 1st if its a
small mapbut generally lloadsa mt its just in the 1st 20 mins against an expert
player i seem to suffer the most and that time is crucial

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Posted by SadisticSid on 11-28-2001 08:43 AM:

Bah, and I thought the newbs were supposed to be filtered out of this forum.

Sid.

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Posted by Screamer on 11-28-2001 12:00 PM:

The actual newbies don’t stray in here much in fact… it’s the others who cause
problems.

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the heart asunder.
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Posted by BOB tank on 11-29-2001 12:24 PM:

i need some advice on air defence With alot of the level 2 aircraft MT’s don’t
seem to be good enough

Posted by Screamer on 11-29-2001 02:59 PM:

Closing this since it’s gone way off topic. Please ask your question in the
Strategy Basics forum.

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the heart asunder.
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Posted by Annihilater2k1 on 11-29-2001 03:00 PM:

I cant find an air defence that can kill an ENTIRE hawk swarm which most vets
do!
Though a few flaks mt’s and HLT’S wont go amiss as the hlt can take out most
annoying gunships i get beaten quite often with Hawk swarms of 20-30+!

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