whats your defence strategy?

xpoy0 · 2010 年4 月 2 日 08:44

Posted by DarkMyst on 12-30-2001 11:37 AM:
whats your defence strategy?
post and tell about your kinds of strategy for multi…
my usual strat with core is to place a few punishers around my base, scatter
dragonteeth from punishers to 1-3 screens away and to top it off i have rapiers
or vamps patrolling.

Let me give you one piece of advice…dying hurts like hell…

Posted by Maedhros on 12-30-2001 11:58 AM:

Without wanting to sound harsh but what exactly is your opponent doing while
your building up this mammoth defence?

Posted by Masonary on 12-30-2001 04:32 PM:

Attack attack and then attack some more.
defences can only really be built when you have a resource advantage, use the
attacking units as mobile defense.
when defending, missile towers spread out all over the shop, with the odd dt’d
punisher or guardian if you have the resources

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Posted by InfGrunt Commmander Jason on 12-31-2001 03:36 PM:

I’m more for defense then offense. What I do is this:

Build a lot of Constuction kbots and Construction vehicles. Only building
PeeWees and the occasional Jethro and Hammer, I also build Stumpy’s, I have the
PeeWees for the emg’s.
Build a long wall of dragonteeth’s. Make sure you leave an opening every
other screen or so, because you WILL need an exit eventually.
Start building Avd. Construction Kbot labs and Vehicle Plants. Also, build
three Aircraft Plants. Have the aircraft plants build about 10 Freedon
Fighters/Avengers, and then build only Atlas/Valkyries, about 30 or so.
Once you have all the dragon teeth set up, you should have a small group of
Kbots, about 30 or so, along with 12 Stumpy’s. Now, that’s not a lot, but, you
don’t want a lot, since most of your units will go to building base defenses.
(Remember, you should always follow strategy and should have also been building
metal extractors and solar collectors [wind generaotrs if strong wind] because
you will need a good metal and energy storage to do this. Also make sure you
build a lot of energy and metal storage, so that you have something to draw on
if you lose a lot of metal extractors or solar collectors to rush tactics.)
Begin building a lot of Defender/Pulverizer towers, and some Sentinel/Gaat
Gun HLTs. After you build those should you then build Guardian/Punisher
defences, because they use up a lot of energy and metal, and that would take add
to the building times and take away from resources.
Use your new Delta Arilines (Atlas/Valkyries) to transport two contruction
Kbots and the assortment of Kbot that you were instructed to build earlier to
places where you can place metal extractors. Use the Freedom Fighters/Avengers
to destroy any light defences and the metal extractor. Should the defences
around it prove to heavy, land your Kbots far enough away from the base, then
attack after your fighters have done their sweeps.
With every unit point you have left, build a army as big as you can. Your
enemy will be coming soon, unless they too have been building a massive defense,
then it will turn into a massive war of attrition, which is what you only want
if you control more then half the map and are sure you have enough reserves to
draw upon if your first massive attack fails. They will surely attack you if the
attack fails.
Once you’ve done all of the above, attack, and make sure you ahve enough
defences to defend your base (you should if you did what I told you). You’ll
most likely lose the attack if your enemy has been building up a massive
offensive base with lots of units, but that’s not the point. You just want to
weaken him, and make him waste more time to build back more units.
After you lose all those units in that suicide run, start building Big
Bertha’s/Intimidators and nuclear missiles silos. This is where you will really
need to draw upon those resource reserves that I have been talking about so much
because you will need them for the enrgy cost of each big bertha shot and each
nuclear missile.
Once you’re done with the Big Bertha’s a nuke silo’s, start launching nukes
as soon as you build them. If you’ve euilt enough silos and Bertha turrets, your
opponent won’t last long. If you’re opponent is out of reach of the Big
Bertha’s, use them to destroy enemy units coming in for a last ditch attack on
your base, so that’s at least you got some of their units before they hit your
base. Make sure you also built two Adv. Radar towers to see when the enemies are
coming, and to give your bertha’s something to shoot at.
Send in any avalible units you have left to scour the enemy base. This is
your mop up crew. You should still have those twelve stumpy’s that you built in
the begining, sinve you were not supposed to send them to attack metal
extractors with your Kbots. If you want to scout the area first, send in a few
Jeffy’s and Peepers, since they cost little.

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forces. We can go places where tanks can’t go. And we can hold territory, unlike
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xpoy0 · 2010 年4 月 2 日 08:44

Posted by BOB16 on 01-01-2002 09:31 AM:

Yeah, like masonary said, keep attacking, and have ALOT of con. units(mostly
vehicles) and build MTs near your mexes. Build like this(its how I do it)

O0000000 O
O000000 O
OO000O

Arrange your MTs something like that, so they can the max number of MTs can fire
at once. Hell, put a gurdian behind that, and Mix in a few sentinels, but only
where you are hit the hardest, or expect atttacks.

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Posted by MajorBigg on 01-01-2002 12:13 PM:

well i dont really go gung-ho for defenses. they can be outranged or even worse,
moved around without even facing them. the best defenses is usually a good
offense. I have tons of samsons, rockos, and flash. l2 would be panthers. for my
air i still go nuts for hawks. My defenses consists only of groups of 4
defenders every 1/4 a screen because they are quick to build and good against
air.

Posted by Warchicken on 01-01-2002 12:52 PM:

Rofl! DT yourself in? build 3 LINES of MT’s right behind each otehr? What IDIOCY
is this? I realize that good players should shy away from newbie tac- I mean
strategy basics, but come ON! Someone has GOT to set you straight.

First of all, NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER DT yourself in! EVER! If
you have cause to you are playing a metal map, and you should NEVER play metal
maps. Metal maps make you no good at expanding and no good at resource
management. DONT PLAY THEM! If you dt yourself in you can’t expand and if you
can’t expand you LOSE.

Now let’s look at your MT placement. WHY WOULD YOU GROUP THEM LIKE FRIKKIN’
CARROTS? Spread them out! Make an MT forest! I guarantee that 100 MT’s on one
screen is WAY less effective than 25 mt’s spread out across 2 or 3. If you waste
that much metal on defense AND you dont expand, your economy is crippled.

Take a map like comet. You want to DT yourself in here?!? Come on! Expanding to
half the map gets you well over + 50 metal and the ability to have a good fusion
farm at 20 minutes’ time. Once you have this going, you can think about dt’s.
That’s around 30 minutes though. And I commend you if you manage to DT yourself
in in the middle of a battle.

Bottom line, you have to be really freakin’ stupid to DT yourself in on ANY map
as long as it isn’t metal, and you shouldn’t play metal maps.

and wait a minute-AIRLIFT con bots to mexxes? Destroy light def with FF? sigh

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Posted by BLITZ_Molloy on 01-01-2002 01:27 PM:

Warchicken… It’s ok to play Metal Maps…If the players are metal experts the
map involves a great amount of expansion.

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Posted by tau’ri01 on 01-01-2002 04:50 PM:

fools! never put mts in rows like that, put them in columns like this
x x x
x x x
x x x
its 20 times more effective, and should be layed out in a forest stylee this is
good, as it means each colunm can stand alone untill the forest is complete, and
they just eat up ikke sammies for breakfast of couire gollies just blow them
apart, and no ammount of dts will save you if youropponent realises theres a
wall going up… they will build raiders or whatecer, and shell the hell out of
you

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xpoy0 · 2010 年4 月 2 日 08:45

Posted by Warchicken on 01-02-2002 02:10 AM:

No, sorry, tau, but that was stupid too.

DO NOT BUILD THEM IN GROUPS. SPREAD THEM OUT.

not
EDIT ok I can’t put extra spaces, so I can’t show you. Oh well.

where each line is a screen and each x is 5 mt you figure it out. DO NOT GROUP
THEM!

Oh and raiders suck. Dont built them.

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Posted by tau’ri01 on 01-12-2002 04:34 AM:

ok thats not what i meant… maybe you misunderstood what i said, or i said
it badly…put them in groups of three, in single file towards where you think
the attack will come from. Space them out with either a half or single footprint
between them. This means as a general rule, a single section can stand up to a
minor attack whilst the entire forest is in construction, and sppeds up having a
concentrated defence to start with. This give you a better defence for abbout 20
seconds, anmd then the same level of defence after that as a normal forest
would, because the con bot/vec doesnt have to move that far to build the next
mty . So there

edit: and yes, i know raiders suck, i dont build them as a general rule, but i
couldnt think off another ballistic stylee unit at the time… now i think, i
could have said goliath or thud or something.

after this initial stuff has gone up, just build them whereever you like, it
doesnt matter

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Posted by Warchicken on 01-12-2002 04:03 PM:

No, let me explain how to do this.

DO NOT GROUP THEM! This is the first thing you must learn! The only time the
footprint of one MT should be touching another’s is when you are doing an MT
creep. MTs should never, ever be in lines. The MT’s take more damage, and
faster. And when they are spread out to be something like, T…T…T as
opposed to TTT, they cover MUCH more area. You may think the wreckage from the
MT’s augments their effectiveness, but it does NOT.

Another thing. Goliaths shouldn’t be built unless you have a VERY large surplus
of resources. Level one is just more effective. Goliaths get torn apart by
defenses late in the game, which is when you will have them. Basically, your
main groups of attackers will be flashes, samsons, rockos, and MAYBE jethros if
you have problems with targetting. Hawks and bombers work well to take out the
heavier things, like, say, four to take down a sentinel, 12 to take down a
guardian.

Bottom line, if you are getting goliaths, you better be getting Intimidators
right there with them, because those will do far more damage. By now you should
have tons of fusions, and around +200 metal-on a medium land map anyhow.

On a small land map, yes, goliaths will be more effective-but still, not worth
it. On small land maps, MT forests tend to be extremely dense-mine usually rise
to more than 30 per screen on sherwood! A suitable number of storms will deal
with that far better than 10 goliaths.

ALWAYS REMEMBER: SPREAD OUT YOUR MTs! DO NOT GROUP THEM UNLESS YOU ARE CREEPING!

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Posted by Screamer on 01-13-2002 05:57 AM:

Warchicken, soften your tone somewhat, ok?

Goliaths are pretty good when you already have built a dozen Intims and don’t
know what to sink your metal into…

Raiders don’t totally suck, though most of the time they do.

Jethros should never ever ever be built, they are equal to Samsons in all
aspects (incl cost) except they have only 60% of the Samson’s armor.

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xpoy0 · 2010 年4 月 2 日 08:45

Posted by tau’ri01 on 01-13-2002 10:52 AM:

Hmmm, i will try to put my point across once, more, then give up on this. If
you, (and please, dont quibble about the tactic, because i am not saying this
will hapen, but am using it as an example of what could happen)get attacked by a
couple of units, or even more, would you prefer that your construction unit has
built 6 mts arranged in two rows, perpendicular to the expected line of attack,
with one half footprint between each one in each group of three, and 5 or so
between each group. In your case, spreading them out at the start may well get
your construction unit killed. In mine, the construction unit has got the
backing of 6 mts, and can either gert out, or survive, or have support brought
to it. I do not suggest doing this in the late game, as many l2 units can just
walk trough mt forest, or outrange them. Certainly a guardian will lay waste to
them if they are grouped, and grouping is foolhardy later on sa massive numbers
of mts will be destroyed in single shots. Still think its foolish? Probably you
do, but hey, its only a game.

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Posted by Warchicken on 01-13-2002 02:25 PM:

Well, TAU, I see the underlying logic in your statement; however, it’s
just…wrong. Typically, a situation such as that will be a large land map,
right? So what’s the point of putting them all in one spot? Besides, on a land
map, most players tend to defend with units, not with structures; the MT forests
come up later. Basically, a packed in defense line like that is not going to
help you. At all. A good player will see that the defenses are packed in there,
and he will simply go around them! You can find me on Phoenix worx as
SST_Jazzmonkey if you want to dispute it.

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Posted by Screamer on 01-13-2002 02:53 PM:

The point is concentration of fire. MTs spread over a large area will cover a
large area but not be able to concentrate much firepower on any given spot.
Personally I don’t build my MTs next to next nor group them all that tightly,
but I do build them in blobs.

There’s no point in having 10 MTs in a single spot, but there’s no point in
having a single MT every 200 pixel either.

If you build tight groups, an opponent can just go around them, then later kill
them all at once. If you build them thinly spread, he will take them out one by
one.

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Posted by Masonary on 01-14-2002 02:25 AM:

I think the issue here is how densely you pack the mt’s. I feel that you have to
spread them out to get the maximum effectivness from them, never build them in
lines. It can all come down to a matter of line of sight. If they are built in a
line, then if an attacking unit can see one, it can see them all. Stagger them
however, and spread them out, and the first mt gets the los, gets the begumba
blown out of it, but every other missile tower in the group gets at least one
free shot before the return fire. This will continue to be the case throughout
the whole group, as long as the spread is good enough. It is a balance, spread
them out enough to get good coverage of the map, but close enough together to
support one another.

And stick with mobile units if you can, unless you have the production advantage

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They Bumpeth into things

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Posted by Screamer on 01-14-2002 05:23 AM:

Yeah… I find it helps to build entirely singled-out MT here and there just to
augment your LOS. Otherwise I’d build them about a Solar-length apart from each
other, in blobs of at least 5. Adding a radar to every blob of MTs is also
useful and nearly free.

Behind frontlines, I like to throw the occasional Solar across the place to get
LOS coverage - raiders that sneak past front defense are likely to ingore the,
and it gives your usually thin innerbase defense a chance to work without micro.

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xpoy0 · 2010 年4 月 2 日 08:45

Posted by Crono0001 on 01-15-2002 07:31 PM:

Jeez Warchicken… If you wanna pick on someone, why don’t you pick on the most
stupidest strategy i’ve ever heard of (The long one where you can only win with
nukes and berthas) THAT IS FREAKEN CRAP!!! Is that the only way you can win??
And blocking yourself in with dragon’s teeth?? Your not getting anywhere that
way… If you wanna play like i do, i usually rush. I build a kbot lab first.
Then a build a bunch of resource buildings. I’m always building peewees. Early
in the game, they should just be building their kbot lab. And remember that the
Commander SUCKS against peewees. Remember to spread out your units, so that if
the commander uses the disintegration gun, the all don’t die. If the attack
fails, i get some defense up and go again, targeting only labs and the
Commander. If all else fails, i get fast level 2 units (zippers) and try to
finish the commander off. Players usually never build storages, and without your
commander, your storage goes to about 500 only

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Posted by tau’ri01 on 01-16-2002 05:42 AM:

Hehe that was a joke post right? It was very amusing hehehehehehehe waht do you
think the other guy is doing? Waiting for you to emg rush him , then startiing
to build stuff? No, more likely hes either building flashes, and in which case,
you going to get slaughtered, cos his plant will be up first i think, and it
costs less, or samsons, in which case yupr peewees will get shot to pices. Or
he’ll d gun all your peewees. Then he’ll attack. And he’ll take the wreckage
from your attack. And you’ll die.

Its something unpredictable, but in the end is right…

Posted by LordBeek on 01-16-2002 12:31 PM:

and without your commander, your storage goes to about 500 only

Wow, Commanders are used for metal storage? Maybe i should use them to shield my
guardians and berthas from now on, along with their incredible ability
to…store…metal… O_o

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Posted by Warchicken on 01-17-2002 05:46 PM:

Wow, amazing, a newbie responding to a flame post post about a newbie with a
newbie strategy.

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Posted by Annihilater2k1 on 01-18-2002 03:21 PM:

Beeky you can be really stupid when you wanna be.

The weak have one weapon, the over-confidence of those who think they are
strong.

Posted by Warchicken on 01-18-2002 04:37 PM:

OKAY, Ann2k1, I’ll tell you what he meant…

WHAT HE MEANT was that the only way that the ‘storage’ thing is applicable is if
you are playing on commander continues, which only newbies do. Therefore, on com
ends, you use your commander to sheild a guardian from being dgunned, or you
both die, game over, no one wins. Get it?

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that something doesn’t feel right and doesn’t look right. Something starts to
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-Dan Lafferty, Fundamentalist Latter-Day Saint

“A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be
a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic - on the level with a man
who says he is a poached egg - or he would be the devil of hell. You must take
your choice. Either this was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman or
something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool or you can fall at His feet and
call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about
His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us.”

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xpoy0 · 2010 年4 月 2 日 08:45

Posted by tau’ri01 on 01-18-2002 07:14 PM:

Dude dont make generalisations like that. It is untrue to say only nwbs play
comm conts. I play it sometimes… not often, uisually when i dont check
settings before a game, but just bercause its not general practise does not mean
its a newbie thing to do. So hush your typing fingers Mr Chicken

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Posted by BLITZ_Molloy on 01-19-2002 03:50 AM:

I play comm continues all the time with friends and I could beat WArchicken with
my hands tied behind my back.

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Posted by Annihilater2k1 on 01-19-2002 06:07 AM:

I can just imagine Molloy trying to move the mouse with his feet.

The weak have one weapon, the over-confidence of those who think they are
strong.

Posted by Warchicken on 01-19-2002 10:37 PM:

Molloy, you know I meant that as a rule, most com cont games are by newbs.
ALMOST no good players do it.

And I don’t know if you could own me as easy as you think-catch me on the zone
and IRC to try me…and on PW as SST_Jazzmonkey.

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“A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be
a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic - on the level with a man
who says he is a poached egg - or he would be the devil of hell. You must take
your choice. Either this was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman or
something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool or you can fall at His feet and
call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about
His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us.”

-C.S. Lewis

Posted by Spore-Frog on 01-21-2002 12:30 AM:

The only time i EVER use dt is against 10 ais on a map with passages to a base.
As for the mt’s I tend to group mt’s in small blocks 3x3 or 2x2 + it is always
good to put 1 or to for los.
Later in the game I will build walls of mt usually 3 spaced out every 1/2 screen
or so. BUT ONLY on a map where the enemy cant get to my base with land units or
after i have a reasonably defence. By that time my base has expanded and i have
mt boxes scattered throughout my base

Ribbit

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Posted by Warchicken on 01-23-2002 05:43 PM:

Did you even read the posts just above? DO NOT GROUP YOUR MTs! SPREAD THEM THE
HELL OUT! A 3x3 block of mts sucks. I can just walk around them with any unit,
or just nail them all at once with TWO BOMBERS! TWO BOMBERS could take all those
out. DO NOT GROUP MTs! Don’t put them in blocks. Put them in FORESTS. Not like
in a storage bin-like in a national park!

Oh, and don’t play 10k kiddies Play with 1000 metal and energy, it’s the only
real way to play IMO…

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xpoy0 · 2010 年4 月 2 日 08:46

Posted by tau’ri01 on 01-23-2002 06:21 PM:

Yes, the chicken or war is right… i used to advocate your sort of stylee, but
in the few days since i did, i have seen the light, and even though you can come
up with a large number of reasons why grouping them together should be
better… it isnt. Spreading them out is just…better… so do that
instead.

Its something unpredictable, but in the end is right…

Posted by LordBeek on 01-24-2002 05:08 AM:

Some players group MT`s together and they prove effective.

Note Cytree’s blocks of MT`s on GOW games. Very effective.

In general grouping MT`s allows them to be killed easier though.

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Posted by Annihilater2k1 on 01-24-2002 11:34 AM:

Yeah but if they are in a big enough group then they will kill the unit with
little or no damage.

The weak have one weapon, the over-confidence of those who think they are
strong.

Posted by Warchicken on 01-24-2002 07:01 PM:

Or maybe I’ll just walk around them with my units. DO NOT GROUP MTS ON A LARGE
LAND MAP. OR A MEDIUM ONE. small ones it MIGHT work. BUT DO NOT DO IT IN ANY
OTHER SITUATION SAVE A FEW!

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start to see the contradictions in what you’ve been taught. You start to realize
that something doesn’t feel right and doesn’t look right. Something starts to
sink…

-Dan Lafferty, Fundamentalist Latter-Day Saint

“A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be
a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic - on the level with a man
who says he is a poached egg - or he would be the devil of hell. You must take
your choice. Either this was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman or
something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool or you can fall at His feet and
call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about
His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us.”

-C.S. Lewis

Posted by Spore-Frog on 01-24-2002 07:03 PM:

Just wondering where would u stick mts when u got a hill in the way?
In front, top, back and if all which first?

Ribbit

I have worked hard to acheive this level of laziness

Posted by Masonary on 01-25-2002 03:39 AM:

Bang a couple on top and then all around it. use the hill as extra defense. NO
point in being behind it, they cant shoot at anything untill it is level or past

When the Blind Leadeth the blind
They Bumpeth into things

which is worse, confusion or apathy? who knows, who cares

When the Blind Leadeth the blind
They Bumpeth into things

which is worse, confusion or apathy? who knows, who cares

Posted by Screamer on 01-25-2002 10:38 AM:

First on top, pulled back slightly from the edge of the slope, then all around
it as well, starting with the front.

The taste of truth is bitter. | You can lead an idiot to
knowledge, but you cannot make him think.

The beauty of the world has two edges, one of laughter, one of anguish, cutting
the heart asunder.
Virginia Woolf

xpoy0 · 2010 年4 月 2 日 08:46

Posted by Warchicken on 01-26-2002 01:40 AM:

Putting them at the top doesn’t really help Better to make it so the units have
to go around the hill and get shot the whole time, you know? Since you can’t
concentrate all their fire at once anyway, may as well hold them up.

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start to see the contradictions in what you’ve been taught. You start to realize
that something doesn’t feel right and doesn’t look right. Something starts to
sink…

-Dan Lafferty, Fundamentalist Latter-Day Saint

“A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be
a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic - on the level with a man
who says he is a poached egg - or he would be the devil of hell. You must take
your choice. Either this was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman or
something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool or you can fall at His feet and
call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about
His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us.”

-C.S. Lewis

Posted by Screamer on 01-26-2002 04:11 PM:

That’s why I say to build them pulled back from the edge of the front slope.
Units will fire at the base of the towers and hit the hill’s side while your MT
fire from further above and can send missiles across the edge. If you build them
behind the hill, they don’t get shot at but neither can they shoot at anything.
(Duh?)

The taste of truth is bitter. | You can lead an idiot to
knowledge, but you cannot make him think.

The beauty of the world has two edges, one of laughter, one of anguish, cutting
the heart asunder.
Virginia Woolf

Posted by Masonary on 01-29-2002 06:07 AM:

yeah thats what I said as well. on top and then down the sides

When the Blind Leadeth the blind
They Bumpeth into things

which is worse, confusion or apathy? who knows, who cares

When the Blind Leadeth the blind
They Bumpeth into things

which is worse, confusion or apathy? who knows, who cares

xpoy0 · 2010 年4 月 2 日 08:47

Posted by Pic on 02-12-2002 02:41 AM:

my defense is to kill the opponent

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daaaaaaaaammu !

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Posted by Pic on 02-14-2002 09:30 PM:

read what you said… and ad dyour name instead ofmine haha

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Posted by whiterabbit070 on 02-15-2002 12:51 PM:
why does everyone totally disregard LLTs? they are really powerful, and fairly
cheap. also, the hard spike suggested by the Happy Puppy Destructing Team is
very effective. go to www.totalannihilation.com to find the strategys.

my defence usually consists of samsons patrolling a perimeter, with DT, LLT’,
MTs, and HLTs spread around my base. defenders are useful only when you have
expanded your original base. after you’ve expanded, then replace the samson’s
with 2 guardians per screen. this will keep most opponents off your back. if
it’s a big map, build a LOT of planes instead of samson’s. hawks, not freedom
fighters. FF have too big of a profile, and are too weak. hope this helps.

i think, therefore i am

[This message has been edited by whiterabbit070 (edited February 15, 2002).]

I saw the path to truth choked with weeds, everyone of them a singular knife,
and I thought to myself “Maybe I will go another way.”

Posted by tau’ri01 on 02-15-2002 01:40 PM:

Because sams can be built in greater numbers faster then hawks can. So when
youre swarm gets there they are doooooooooooooooomed. Or i could be wrong.
edit… yeh … but… i dont want to go into that right now

Its something unpredictable, but in the end is right…

[This message has been edited by tau’ri01 (edited February 16, 2002).]

Its something unpredictable, but in the end is right…

Posted by Annihilater2k1 on 02-15-2002 02:44 PM:

Is anyone else 15 and feels like flour? TA is sorta what the player makes it.
Hawks are WAY more powerful than MT’s and LLT’s are really just a waste any
decent player should know that rockos can hit LLT’s from just outside its range,
back them up with mavs to rid the MT’s and hey i;ve broken through your defence.

LLT’s suck up to much energy to be used early on.

The weak have one weapon, the over-confidence of those who think they are
strong.

Posted by whiterabbit070 on 02-15-2002 04:56 PM:

tau - 200+ hawks can kill anything. period. and fast. and 10 adv. aircraft
plants can replace whatever gets shot down

annihilater2k1 - yes, but LLT’s scattered throughtout your base can play devil
with an invader

i think, therefore i am

I saw the path to truth choked with weeds, everyone of them a singular knife,
and I thought to myself “Maybe I will go another way.”

Posted by Annihilater2k1 on 02-16-2002 04:24 AM:

Who in their right mind would send ONE unit into an enemy base, if it’s gonna
rain it might aswell pour IMO.

The weak have one weapon, the over-confidence of those who think they are
strong.

xpoy0 · 2010 年4 月 2 日 08:47

Posted by Screamer on 02-16-2002 05:31 AM:

LLTs suck. They cost way too much for the amount of ground they cover.

Sure, a Flash will die if it runs into an LLT. But how difficult is it for that
Flash to just go around the tower?

The taste of truth is bitter. | You can lead an idiot to
knowledge, but you cannot make him think.

The beauty of the world has two edges, one of laughter, one of anguish, cutting
the heart asunder.
Virginia Woolf

Posted by whiterabbit070 on 02-16-2002 12:40 PM:

it’s fun to put powerful, short ranged units in your base. when someone starts
to overrun it, they run into a dozen HLT and 2 dozen LLT. boom.

I saw the path to truth choked with weeds, everyone of them a singular knife,
and I thought to myself “Maybe I will go another way.”

Posted by Xavier on 02-16-2002 03:27 PM:

or whiterabbit, u coulda put that 2938749234 metal into something to kill yer
enemy with and not have ur base overrun at all

Posted by sniperwolf on 02-16-2002 03:35 PM:

1 const. unit could do it in 20 minutes, with no micromanaging and little
resource drain.

in the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.
“I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to
say it.” - Voltaire

Thank God ignorance isn’t contagious.

Posted by Annihilater2k1 on 02-17-2002 01:36 PM:

Just think all that metal wasted on floury lil’ lasers and not spent on an LRPC.

The weak have one weapon, the over-confidence of those who think they are
strong.

Posted by Annihilater2k1 on 02-17-2002 01:36 PM:

Just think all that metal wasted on floury lil’ lasers and not spent on an LRPC.

The weak have one weapon, the over-confidence of those who think they are
strong.

Posted by NewKid on 02-17-2002 04:18 PM:

HLTs can do all that LLTs do, but beter. Well placed, DTed HLTs can make a great
job, becoming vet an making an even beter job. Against pels they’re great. If
even saw TAG_Rock use it

The best place for them is behind a hill, to be sheltered from some longer range
weapons… HLTs can sometime shoot over the hill, or get anything that passes
the “corner”…

But well, the smallest the map, the less you use it.

Some DTed HLTs near a BB have good chances to toast a lot of units, as the other
player is often just thinking to the BB…

Some chicken! Some neck!

Posted by Annihilater2k1 on 02-18-2002 11:20 AM:

Who would just put one DT’d HLT behind a hill? Loadsa airstrike possibilities.

The weak have one weapon, the over-confidence of those who think they are
strong.

xpoy0 · 2010 年4 月 2 日 08:47

Posted by NewKid on 02-18-2002 12:09 PM:

Of course you don’t just put a lonely HLT in the middle of nothing : there
should be MTs around… There should be at least 10 MTs for each HLT…

Some chicken! Some neck!

Posted by Annihilater2k1 on 02-18-2002 01:14 PM:

Too true.

The weak have one weapon, the over-confidence of those who think they are
strong.

Posted by Masonary on 02-19-2002 05:58 PM:

1 const. unit could do it in 20 minutes, with no micromanaging and little resource drain.

regardless of what the resource drain is, the fact is that you still have to
spend x ammount of metal to get them built (x = big number).

That metal could have been spent on somthing more useful for offence, eg
bb/timmy.

Im not saying dont build defense, but you have to make decisions as to what is
the most useful, and that isnt an economical use of resources, as it is only
useful when the opponant gets deep into your base, and if he manages that then
chances are you are losing anyways

When the Blind Leadeth the blind
They Bumpeth into things

which is worse, confusion or apathy? who knows, who cares

When the Blind Leadeth the blind
They Bumpeth into things

which is worse, confusion or apathy? who knows, who cares

Posted by Annihilater2k1 on 02-21-2002 01:32 PM:

I use metal extracted for MT forests and end metal reclaimed for bbs/timmys.

The weak have one weapon, the over-confidence of those who think they are
strong.

Posted by Masonary on 02-21-2002 02:25 PM:

err, what do you mean. Is there some way of choosing which type of metal goes
into which.
Does that mean that if you have no metal at a given time to reclaim, then you
just dont build a timmy/bb. Please explain, me is all confuddled

When the Blind Leadeth the blind
They Bumpeth into things

which is worse, confusion or apathy? who knows, who cares

When the Blind Leadeth the blind
They Bumpeth into things

which is worse, confusion or apathy? who knows, who cares

xpoy0 · 2010 年4 月 2 日 08:47

Posted by Annihilater2k1 on 02-22-2002 01:38 PM:

I use all the metal extracted to build up raiding forces and mt forests, by the
time i finish that i am usually metal skint, then i reclaim metal to go Adv.
then i reclaim anything i dont need, wreckage and build a timmy/bb with like 50
const. planes. If you dont understand i’m sorry because i cant explain things
very well, BTW: it works for me but raiding from my opp usually takes a few mt’s
and then i have a little bit of rebuilding to do so the time for me to get LRPC
varies, i build like 20-25 const. units to get it done quickly whilst samsons
defend and flashes raid.

I have noticed how people spell Samson ‘sampson’, the correct spelling is
SAMSON.

The weak have one weapon, the over-confidence of those who think they are
strong.

Posted by Masonary on 02-22-2002 03:55 PM:

are you saying that you reclaim your own units or factories to go advanced. If
so then i now understand, although i have never done it and never really thought
of it as a tactic before on any land map (evad maybe to get quick timmy/bb).

But as for wreckage, reclaim that as soon as it is available, better that you
have it as a moving attacking unit, than leave it sitting on the floor doing sod
all but geting in the way.

When the Blind Leadeth the blind
They Bumpeth into things

which is worse, confusion or apathy? who knows, who cares

When the Blind Leadeth the blind
They Bumpeth into things

which is worse, confusion or apathy? who knows, who cares

Posted by Annihilater2k1 on 02-22-2002 06:47 PM:

I usually build like three lvl one plants to build up my initial mobile defence
then i reclaim like 2 of each and all the wreckage.

Wreckage—>to get ADV. lab

Reclaimed factories—>BB/TIMMY.

The weak have one weapon, the over-confidence of those who think they are
strong.

When large feilds of wreckage become available then i expand to include them
yhus creating certain’fuel dumps’ within my base there if i need them, but
patrolling const. plane swarms can re-circulate the smaller fields.

[This message has been edited by Annihilater2k1 (edited February 22, 2002).]

The weak have one weapon, the over-confidence of those who think they are
strong.

Posted by LordBeek on 02-23-2002 09:00 AM:

Why not just build as many level 1 units as you can with all the reclaimed
wreckage. And if you cant break through with that, then go bb.

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Never argue with a fool. Someone watching may not be able to tell the
difference.

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Posted by sniperwolf on 02-23-2002 10:58 AM:

yes, build flashes winks at LB. but reclaiming non-essential units is good to,
like jeffys or rockos that you don’t need.

in the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.
“I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to
say it.” - Voltaire

Thank God ignorance isn’t contagious.

Posted by Masonary on 02-23-2002 04:56 PM:

Why would you have jeffries sitting about in your base. they should have been
used early for scouting, and the rockos should have been used in an attack, it
would have been stronger with the extra units.

If you have to reclaim to go advanced, are you going to have enough metal to
produce advanced units anyways, and what are you going to use to defend yourself
whilst you are building your advanced

Read what LordBeek said

When the Blind Leadeth the blind
They Bumpeth into things

which is worse, confusion or apathy? who knows, who cares

When the Blind Leadeth the blind
They Bumpeth into things

which is worse, confusion or apathy? who knows, who cares

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whats your defence strategy?

after this initial stuff has gone up, just build them whereever you like, it doesnt matter

after this initial stuff has gone up, just build them whereever you like, it
doesnt matter