TAUniverse - Advanced cheating and bug exploitation

xpoy0 · 2009 年9 月 15 日 16:34

Posted by BTU_S_hollo_S on 04-08-2002 07:22 PM:

btw is using the Phalanx trick a cheat? Or no, It requires quite a bit of unit
control but it is devestating =)

sl4v3 t0 w0m3n

Posted by PelvisRocks on 04-08-2002 10:29 PM:

Cool Shollos, does that always work? That is not the method I alluded to. I
guess it is important that the peewee be within enemy anti-nuke range? I have
seen 2 nukes circling endlessly until anti-nukes were made. I never knew this
could be exploited to get a nuke in. I would guess depending on the spread of
anti nukes , one may shoot them down sooner or later. Correct me please. Someone
said this circling bug is because the missles are modeled after merls.

The phalanx trick used against pelicans? I never could make it devistating.

[This message has been edited by PelvisRocks (edited April 08,
2002 on 10:31 PM).]

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Posted by Screamer on 04-09-2002 07:01 AM:

I don’t like the Phalanx trick personally… the way it works falls in the same
category as the MMM sparking

The taste of truth is bitter. | You can lead an idiot to
knowledge, but you cannot make him think.

The beauty of the world has two edges, one of laughter, one of anguish, cutting
the heart asunder.
Virginia Woolf

Posted by DOGGY on 04-09-2002 10:11 AM:

at least the mmm bug does work

Posted by BTU_S_hollo_S on 04-09-2002 02:17 PM:

cougH phalanx ownz flashes cough

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Posted by tau’ri01 on 04-09-2002 03:37 PM:

Whats the phlanx trick then? Unless im being dumb and someone already said it in
which case i should read more closely…

Its something unpredictable, but in the end is right…

Posted by Reiff on 04-09-2002 07:39 PM:

Pelvis, you seem to be misinformed. The feature .fixall of the recorder only
works with factories. That is why you can get a few skeeters out of a shipyard
with the com’s help while they’re being hit by missiles (floating defenders,
skeet missiles).
There’s two features in .fixall. The first is .fixfacexps, which applies the 3
second rule to factories, the second is .fixdt (or something like that), which
makes sure that no DT’s are left as missing packets between you and your enemy.

“My country is the world. My religion is good.” - Ralph Waldo Emerson

Posted by The Barbar on 04-09-2002 09:46 PM:

Phalanx bug is used by gaurding a unit under attack with a phalanx, it will
return fire with its flak. Ive tried to find a good way to use this, but the
cost of the flakkers are way too much to be productive

Posted by BTU_S_hollo_S on 04-09-2002 09:56 PM:

they are there to replace immolators!!! Really really they are… and hawks
are there to replace metal patches too!!! m ua hahaa haah

note the lack of seriousness…

sl4v3 t0 w0m3n

Posted by Forklift on 04-09-2002 11:47 PM:

Shollos, what exactly happens to those “spinning nukes”? Do they just circle a
few times and drop, like Merl rockets? because the problems of having that
happen are obvious.

“There is no greater oppressor than someone who thinks they are being
oppressed.” --Richard L. Davis, mensnewsdaily.com

Posted by Xavier on 04-10-2002 02:00 AM:

lmao pelvis

my opinions are backed up by personal experience - if u can find a better way to
back up an opinion i’d like to know what it is.

p.s. ur wrong and i’m right

Posted by BTU_S_hollo_S on 04-10-2002 10:16 AM:

yeah they are like merls they will spin for like 25 seconds or so then crash
randomly; depends how soon the peewee died and how far or close the nuke was
launched…

sl4v3 t0 w0m3n

Posted by PelvisRocks on 04-10-2002 10:54 AM:

Reiff- Which feature of the recorder gives a started structure 3 seconds of
invinsibility? This was discussed earlier in the thread. Maybe Screamer was the
one that talked about it.

I was PelvisPressMe in a past life.

xpoy0 · 2009 年9 月 15 日 16:34

Posted by Reiff on 04-10-2002 01:30 PM:

Dude I said them… “The first is .fixfacexps, which applies the 3 second rule
to factories.” There is nothing that gives structures invinsibility, and I don’t
know anything about any invinsible buildings…

“My country is the world. My religion is good.” - Ralph Waldo Emerson

Posted by PelvisRocks on 04-10-2002 03:15 PM:

Well, look in the thread and you will see people talking about that and
nanoshielding.

Reiff, check Fnordia’s statement below. I guess I was correct. .fixall turns all
those features on.

[This message has been edited by PelvisRocks (edited April 11,
2002 on 01:30 PM).]

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Posted by Screamer on 04-10-2002 03:16 PM:

Actually, the spinning nuke is even meaner than you may think from reading this:
the enemy antinukes will keep firing antinukes at it, which are likely to all
miss. It is quite probable that a single spinning nuke will drain your
opponent’s entire supply of antis. And it gets quite affordable if you use the
much cheaper Stunner missiles…

The taste of truth is bitter. | You can lead an idiot to
knowledge, but you cannot make him think.

The beauty of the world has two edges, one of laughter, one of anguish, cutting
the heart asunder.
Virginia Woolf

Posted by Fnordia on 04-10-2002 03:27 PM:

Here’s how it works:

.fixfacexps - Gives all newly created units and buildings 3 seconds of
invulnerability.

.fixdt - Makes TA send DT packets reliably.

.fixall turns on both these.

Posted by Vali on 04-10-2002 05:59 PM:

Yep, spining nuke get’s your anty nukes gone faster then you can say: WHAT THE
F*** WHERE ARE MY ANTI!!!

Lost 1 Nuke war to this…
BUT, eventualy, your anti will hit it, but you will lose 5 or 6 of them on 1
missile…
That sucks.
I think “.fixall” kind of sucks…
I was fighting a guy and he woud build ALOT of A.K.s (I had a few sams and that
flash counter)
So, usualy they woud be dead faster then they build, but the darn 3 sec made
them be able to land a few shots on me before they died…

Posted by Screamer on 04-11-2002 07:44 AM:

You mean - they were built and arrived in your base and fired a shot - all in
less than 3 seconds?

The taste of truth is bitter. | You can lead an idiot to
knowledge, but you cannot make him think.

The beauty of the world has two edges, one of laughter, one of anguish, cutting
the heart asunder.
Virginia Woolf

Posted by PelvisRocks on 04-11-2002 01:28 PM:

Thanks, Fnordia. I am glad you cleared things up for Rieff.

I was PelvisPressMe in a past life.

Posted by A_Novice_ToS on 04-11-2002 02:41 PM:

Uhm actually Pelvis if you read what you said earlier you were wrong and Reiff
was right.
.fixall affects all factories but NO other structures except dragons teeth. This
is what Reiff said…kinda simple isnt it?

Posted by BTU_S_hollo_S on 04-11-2002 05:38 PM:

Sucks to not read full posts =)

sl4v3 t0 w0m3n

Posted by PelvisRocks on 04-11-2002 06:49 PM:

Fnordia- “.fixall turns on both these.” I dont claim to know the innards of the
Demorecorder but I am sure Fnordia does. So, that would make me right and Reiff
wrong in saying it only applies to factories.
Novice- Not simple enough for you. :Reiff- “There is nothing that gives
structures invinsibility, and I don’t know anything about any invinsible
buildings…”

Reading is fundamental. LOL
(Nothing personal Reiff, I appriciate your input, but fixall does it all by
calling other programs or macros or whatever. I used fixall as a shorthand and
didnt know the names of the other .fix it calls)

Screamer- “I don’t like the Phalanx trick personally… the way it works falls in
the same category as the MMM sparking” - I disagree, it is different enough to
be a possible bug but to pass the ethical test. I did feel cheated when it was
used against me.

you have to completely build the phalanx and pay both time and metal for it.
You cannot determine intent. Maybe the guy accidently had the phalanx guard
another unit.
The mmm never has to be completed. Although it is cheap, it has a long build
time. Once you spark it you will reap the benefits of it throughout the game
while never actually finishing the build process.(if you choose)

So, for the slow readers(Novice and President Bush)- Phalanx - Goood, MMM
sparking - Baaaad.

[This message has been edited by PelvisRocks (edited April 11,
2002 on 07:20 PM).]

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Posted by sloppyjoe on 04-11-2002 08:03 PM:

Phalanx - Goood, MMM sparking - Baaaad

Somehow I think Novice and everybody else here has got your point over the last
100 posts or so. Not that you pay attention anyway.

(me expects inevitable Pelvis reply)

xpoy0 · 2009 年9 月 15 日 16:34

Posted by BTU_S_hollo_S on 04-11-2002 11:46 PM:

he is tryiung to say waht is cheating and waht is not… how about… everyone
ignores pelvis, because they themselves have they’re own guidelines to what
cheating is and what a flaw in a game is.
kthx pwned again.

sl4v3 t0 w0m3n

Posted by PelvisRocks on 04-12-2002 12:15 AM:

Joe- “(me expects inevitable Pelvis reply)” Yeah, I thought that was funny.
Sometimes I feel like I should apologize for making fun of retarded people. I
guess it is just a reading comprehension problem.
Bush was governor of a state that was ranked 48th* in education when he started
and 48th when he became President. Yet, he was called the education governor. By
the time you graduate high school you should be able to read and write complete
sentences.

Noone knew my opinion on the Phalanx, so, I feel free to express my views, as
Screamer did.

Newspeak- “kthx pwned again.” translates: “Okay, thanks. Owned again.” ?

*there are 50 states in the United States.

[This message has been edited by PelvisRocks (edited April 12,
2002 on 01:25 AM).]

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Posted by Xavier on 04-12-2002 01:30 AM:

as i said earlier - i play on comps both with and without the recorder and
fixall etc - and i have found absolutely no difference in the effectiveness of
nanoshielding either way.

p.s. i have long since stopped caring (if i ever did) about changing anyones
mind - but hey - arguing is hella fun

Posted by BTU_Weston on 04-12-2002 06:52 AM:

Its not cheating unless: you break rules that were agreed to before the game,
you use a 3rd party device to cheat, or you change game settings at the last
second before the other player or players has the opportunity to unclick “Go?”.
Who’s to say what a bug is and what’s not a bug? There’s some grey area. I mean
offscreen bombing isn’t a bug in my book. When Cavedog released 3.1 I do believe
they were aware that bombers could go offscreen and potentially in effect avoid
AA fire, but they didn’t change that or at least maybe planned on waiting to
change it. Its far too obvious to be called “a bug”. Bugs are more elusive than
that. However, I do think force-firing a Metal Moho Maker is, for example. Since
Cavedog is gone and no new patches will be released to remedy the remaining
quirks in TA, I think you shouldn’t blame players for playing the game as it is.
Whether or not it’s a bug is irrelevent I believe. Its up to the individual
player to decide what is and what is not good gaming morals, and then to express
those to people that they are about to play before hand so an agreement can be
reached. But there is no official, all encompassing, TA edicts (as much as
people, namely ThinkTank, want to fill this void by imposing their own
philosophies on others by making them feel guilty for using “bugs”, which are
defined EXTREMELY loosely). Point and case: Its TA 3.1 not TA 3.whatifeellike.
By the way, this was a reply to opening post, not the last post.

[This message has been edited by BTU_Weston (edited April 12,
2002 on 07:12 AM).]

Posted by sloppyjoe on 04-12-2002 09:00 AM:

Joe- "(me expects inevitable Pelvis reply)" Yeah, I thought that was funny. Sometimes I feel like I should apologize for making fun of retarded people. I guess it is just a reading comprehension problem. Bush was governor of a state that was ranked 48th* in education when he started and 48th when he became President. Yet, he was called the education governor. By the time you graduate high school you should be able to read and write complete sentences.

Perhaps it was sarcasm you failed to realize, or we did that just to speak at a
level you would understand. In any case it’s obvious you are in a losing
argument and you have nothing better to do than perpetuate this thread by
flaming every person who points that out.

And personally, I think President Bush is incompetent myself. However, I’m not
from Texas and since education funding is controlled mainly at the state level
(since you obviously don’t know that) I couldn’t care less. In any case, there
can’t be too much wrong with our educational system as a whole since we have the
highest ranking colleges and international students flock to our ivy-clad walls
for a chance at a quality education. So please keep your penis envy towards our
country towards yourself and stick to your argument if you must persist. Thank
you

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on 10:38 AM).]

Posted by A_Novice_ToS on 04-12-2002 10:28 AM:

OMFG pelvis are you a total spastic or what???
You said earlier that .fixall makes STRUCTURES invulnerable - and IT DOES NOT.
Reiff corrects you, you then disagree with him, Fnordia comes along and also
tells you that .fixall only affects the units in the plant, NO structures yet
again. Somehow in your limit knowledge you think he was agreeing with you
(although he basically told you you were wrong) so i again inform you that you
are incorrect so now i dont know how to read?
CUMMON read yourself ffs.

Posted by BTU_S_hollo_S on 04-12-2002 11:56 AM:

ummm newspeak? nah, its pretty fluent among the largely populated games other
than ta…
It means; (to me), ok…shutup; you are’t worth my breathe, and good game
because people who suck make for an easy one

sl4v3 t0 w0m3n

Posted by Annihilater2k1 on 04-12-2002 11:57 AM:

I tried that spinning nuke trick and i must say that it is EVIL.

The weak have one weapon, the over-confidence of those who think they are
strong.

xpoy0 · 2009 年9 月 15 日 16:34

Posted by PelvisRocks on 04-12-2002 12:22 PM:

Novice: Fnordia- “.fixfacexps - Gives all newly created units and buildings 3
seconds of invulnerability.”“.fixall turns on both these.”
Notice the word ALL. If I have misunderstood the term ALL , I hope Fnordia will
correct me.

Sloppyjoe- “since education funding is controlled mainly at the state level
(since you obviously don’t know that) I couldn’t care less” - Well, I do know
that and as Governor he controlled that. That was my point and it would be clear
to a 6th grade reading level student.If you are American, you should care,
because he now influences the national budget for education. There are very few
state grade schools that don’t get Federal funding. I am surprised you know so
little about this. Universities are funded very differently and may be full of
foriegners because Americans are so poorly educated that they can’t qualify.

Sloppyjoe-“flaming every person” - I think most readers would consider my
replies very reserved. I certainly didn’t start the flaming here, or on any
other threads, and my taunts are so subtlized that most don’t even know I am
making fun of them. I wish people had responded to this thread with valid
arguments, instead of flames.

Sloppyjoe- “So please keep your penis envy towards our country”- I am not sure
what your sexual inadequacies have to do with it, but I was born in the USA.

> Page 10! I feel a Buzzsaw rank coming!

[This message has been edited by PelvisRocks (edited April 12,
2002 on 12:47 PM).]

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Posted by Reiff on 04-12-2002 01:22 PM:

Pelvis, I don’t know you, but you are definately giving me a bad impression by
this thread alone… “Reiff, check Fnordia’s statement below. I guess I was
correct. .fixall turns all those features on.”

I’m speaking purely from experience, nothing against fnordia or anything. There
is 0 difference in nano-shielding with or without the recorder.

“My country is the world. My religion is good.” - Ralph Waldo Emerson

Posted by sloppyjoe on 04-12-2002 01:28 PM:

Of course, what was I thinking.

You know more than anybody here does. Besides, it’s not like you spend all your
time having to refute every sensible point made by even the most elite players
in the TA community “who should know better”. We should take your advice and
feel ashamed just because you told them so.

BTW, I seriously doubt you were born in this country unless you were
home-schooled. Many foreigners I’ve seen we’re already educated in primary
schools in this country and don’t have many complaints. Love it or leave it. The
Democrats in Congress are smart enough not to let Dubya touch the education
budget, that should be clear to any sixth grader. I’m surprised you know so
little about this, yada yada yada

Anyway, and your transferrence of your obvious penis envy is a clear indication
of how you refuse to accept the fact that you have antagonized the best players
here and how you need to feel smarter or superior, no matter how superficial
that feeling is.

I am seriously enjoying each ridiculous post you make in order to justify
yourself, considering that most people think it’s wrong (and I do think most of
them have a pretty damn good education). Just keep posting towards that buzzsaw.
I have better things to do than point out every one of the numerous grammatical
mistakes you made, indicating your obvious omniscience.

xpoy0 · 2009 年9 月 15 日 16:34

Posted by PelvisRocks on 04-12-2002 04:07 PM:

I base my knowledge of nanoshielding and the fixall demorecorder !completely! on
what was said in this thread. I trust Fnordia as he is as close to SY as you can
get. From what I read here a nanoshield is 3 seconds invinsible if .fixall is
executed. A YS could quickly say I am wrong but the impression I got was that
ALL things that can be built can have 3 seconds of invinsibility. Every time I
read Fnordia’s comment I confirm this. Every time I read Reiff’s comment I am
sure it says the opposite of Fnordia. I don’t see how I can be any clearer. I
also agree that Reiff is correct about what .fix calls are made by .fixall just
not the effect he proposes.

Sloppyjoe-“You know more than anybody here does.” Thanks, but I never claimed
that and have made comments related to that. I have claimed to take the ethical
high ground, where others have not.

Sloppyjoe-“I have better things to do than point out every one of the numerous
grammatical mistakes you made, indicating your obvious omniscience” - this just
makes me laugh and wonder if you have a dictionary.(Feel free to give examples,
I correct my posts.)

As far as being superior to some of you, I guess fair play would be a superior
quality.

For the record, The nuke trick Shollos discussed is not cheating but so lame
that it is the first argument(not that he intended that) to my ethical test that
gives me concern. I could not call it cheating based on my ethical test but it
is extremely unfair and lame.

[This message has been edited by PelvisRocks (edited April 12,
2002 on 04:53 PM).]

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Posted by Reiff on 04-12-2002 07:03 PM:

Well pelvis I’ve found the problem right there. You’re not basing anything you
say about TA from experience, whereas many of the experienced TA players
(Shollos, Joe, and I to name a few) are speaking purely from experience in TA.
Maybe you shouldn’t go around analyzing and taking up other people’s statements
as your arguments (favoring one person’s word over another’s). After all, why is
a person that doesn’t play TA (as much as pic shollos joe and I at least) in a
thread discussing ADVANCED strategies, and even trying to refute our statements?

“My country is the world. My religion is good.” - Ralph Waldo Emerson

Posted by PelvisRocks on 04-12-2002 09:18 PM:

Reiff - As I pointed out, non-ta players can still identify cheating. That is
why my skill, frequency of play, gender, sexual preference, penis size, are all
irrelevent, as much as you and your friends wish they were.

I limited my knowledge of the recorder to this thread for the sake of argument.
I actually had functional knowledge of the recorder before I ever posted here.

Reiff, you may want to spend your time finding a SY to back up your conclusions
about the 3 second invinsibility of all structures and units.

I was PelvisPressMe in a past life.

xpoy0 · 2009 年9 月 15 日 16:34

Posted by BTU_Weston on 04-13-2002 04:35 AM:

.fixall only effects the nanos INSIDE the factory and does something else with
DT that i am not totally aware of. it has no effect on anything else. thats
probably why its called .fixfacexps meaning factory explosions. and NON-TA
players can barely identity the flouring TA box wtf are you talking about?

[This message has been edited by BTU_Weston (edited April 13,
2002 on 04:38 AM).]

Posted by Reiff on 04-13-2002 09:14 AM:

No, your frequency of play and the fact that you’re basing your argument on
complete hear-say is COMPLETELY relevant. This is an advanced strategy forum,
and people that don’t play TA have no business being here, and even less
business arguing with people that frequently play TA.

And how the hell can someone who doesn’t play TA still identify cheating? Or
even care about cheating in a game they don’t play?

“My country is the world. My religion is good.” - Ralph Waldo Emerson

Posted by PelvisRocks on 04-13-2002 12:30 PM:

Reiff- “And how the hell can someone who doesn’t play TA still identify
cheating? Or even care about cheating in a game they don’t play?” - Glad you
asked! I lat a few friends that dont play games read a description of each bug
and the techniques used to exploit them to see which they identified as cheating
an what arguments they had to support this. Their conclusions were very much in
line with mine and some of the experts on this thread. They were able to draw
conclusions with just the descriptions of the unit use and movement. I don’t
think is is very important. It was just an experiment. They are well versed in
philosophy. My conlusions may be more important because I have actually been
cheated. As far as irrelevance, I only need to be cheated once.

I find it interesting that because you have no arguments about the subject of
the thread you like to pick some detail or wording of each post.

I am still waiting for Fnordia to clarify his post as so many are now saying he
is wrong. Any SY will do. BTW, My experience is that .fixall does not save you
from cancellation of structure build starts, but that is subjective and I will
trust those who know the workings of the DR over what I may think I see in a
game. At least two different “experts” have said that .fixall gives any unit 3
seconds of invinsibility in this thread.

I was PelvisPressMe in a past life.

Posted by BTU_Weston on 04-13-2002 01:38 PM:

i got 2 questions… 1: how stupid will you feel when you are proven wrong? 2:
will you STFU after you are proven wrong?

as far as you saying anyone can identify cheating. NO. anyone can THINK they
identified cheating. thats why there’s newbies on ZONE accusing experts of
cheating because they cant possibly comprehend how to play the game or how they
got owned so badly. sound familiar? oops three questions!

[This message has been edited by BTU_Weston (edited April 13,
2002 on 01:44 PM).]

Posted by PelvisRocks on 04-13-2002 02:51 PM:

As I said, my experience with fixall is the same as yours but 2 or 3 people ,
including a SY say the 3 second feature affects ALL units and structures.

No, so stop asking.

[This message has been edited by PelvisRocks (edited April 13,
2002 on 02:56 PM).]

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Posted by Xavier on 04-13-2002 04:30 PM:

and i refuse to believe the sun rises in the east till god himself tells me!
even tho i and everyone i have talked to have seen this for ourselves!

Posted by PelvisRocks on 04-13-2002 07:03 PM:

Xavier- That is an excellent example of a “fallacy of argument”.

In an effort to help you understand that some of your arguments are not that at
all:
http://ethics.acusd.edu/Courses/log…3_2/tsld044.htm

[This message has been edited by PelvisRocks (edited April 14,
2002 on 06:51 AM).]

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xpoy0 · 2009 年9 月 15 日 16:34

Posted by Xavier on 04-14-2002 03:22 AM:

it was your argument with the frame of reference altered. if u wanna call it
fallacy thats up to you.

Posted by Screamer on 04-15-2002 07:08 AM:

Xavier: “page not found” happens because the part of the script that decides
which page to send you to just sends you to page ( nr.of.last.post /
posts.per.page ), without taking deleted posts into account which mean that post
#100 does not necessarily have to be 100th post on the thread. You just have to
edit the URL - make -4.html into -3.html f.ex.

BlackFlag: as Fnordia replied, .fixall does give
all units exactly 3 seconds of invulnerability.

But like Reiff said, it really makes hardly any difference in nanoshielding, if
at all. It certainly doesn’t really matter in shielding from BB fire. Maybe in
Guardian duels it can sometimes make a bit of a difference because they fire
that fast…

The taste of truth is bitter. | You can lead an idiot to
knowledge, but you cannot make him think.

The beauty of the world has two edges, one of laughter, one of anguish, cutting
the heart asunder.
Virginia Woolf

Posted by PelvisRocks on 04-15-2002 01:01 PM:

Reiff- Read this and you will understand how I was “misinformed”:

Screamer states:“BlackFlag: as Fnordia replied, .fixall does give all units
exactly 3 seconds of invulnerability.”

Note the the word ALL.

Weston- Now we know where I got the info and you will “STFU” as you requested of
me.

I was PelvisPressMe in a past life.

Posted by Forklift on 04-15-2002 11:29 PM:

this thread is still going. lol

“There is no greater oppressor than someone who thinks they are being
oppressed.” --Richard L. Davis, mensnewsdaily.com

Posted by BTU_S_hollo_S on 04-19-2002 01:36 AM:

the person who umm started it sucks… thats all i know and i hardly even
frequent this place.
blah

sl4v3 t0 w0m3n

Posted by BTU_Weston on 04-19-2002 01:35 PM:

yea all units in the factory…

Posted by crusier on 04-24-2002 12:30 PM:
hmm… the path to ‘features’ is guided by the darkside of the force; in
otherwords carefull of what you look
for!

fxcza · 2009 年9 月 16 日 03:32

这种只有。。。。。纯支持了。。。。